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- >> I just tried to read your news-archives.README with the line-mode
- >> browser through the traditional file: access. First-minute comments :
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- Thanks for the comments. I realize this is just a first pass for some
- of this -- I'm hand editing the files for now, but before too long I
- really want to start generating stuff more automatically, best to get
- the formats down pat before writing code.
-
- >> The easy fix is to append `.html' to the name of any file that
- >> contains HTML tags, but I understand that it will bother people who
- >> look at your files without www.
-
- I'm expecting to generate two (or three, or n) different files
- eventually from an SGML source; one will be relatively flat ASCII that
- people can read real easily, another will be nice pretty postscript
- suitable for paper, and the third the HTML for the browser. I'm
- pretty sure that the available SGML tools (either now or within the
- year) will make this reasonable to do, one way or the other.
-
- >> - We agree that the current syntax can be ambiguous, but we want to
- >> keep references to local and remote files in the same format, because
- >> the very notion of a `remote' file should disappear with wide-area
- >> hypertext (remember the new WAN cliche: the network IS the computer).
-
- I guess the only problem here is that the frame of reference (or the
- top level directory) may change depending on your access mode;
- anonymous FTP shows that tendency, and AFS seems to as well. I've
- abandoned the aftp: bit as I rewrite things, they're just file: now.
-
- >> - Currently, a colon after the host name is used to specify an alternate
- >> TCP port number, but a good browser should ignore it if no number is
- >> present. In this way, www can be compatible with ange-ftp syntax.
-
- Thanks. I think it's important -- ange-ftp users includes me, and
- since I don't have a real super WWW browser other than line mode I
- need to be sure that I don't have to rewrite stuff. I don't think it
- would be to hard to cons up a similar setup to
-
- >> I'll add this to the wish-list for the `file:' access method :
- >>
- >> * if the address ends with a `/', try `ls' instead of `get'.
- >> * try to get an appropriate README file. Try those in order :
- >> README.html, *README*.html, README, *README*, *readme*
- >> * Display that file if found, then build a list of references
- >> for all the files contained in the directory.
-
- There's work going in the IETF Anonymous FTP working group (headed up
- by Alan Emtage and Peter Deutsch of archie fame) to work on improving
- access to anonymous FTP areas. A standard for directory description
- is sorely lacking, and I think (cross fingers) than an SGML approach
- like WWW would have as good a chance as any to get acceptance That's
- especially true, *if* can be generated with minimal or no effort by a
- site admin. I'm inclined to called the file
- archie.html
- just to steal their good name :-) and make it clear that the file is
- designed to be scooped up and processed by other things (future
- archies, WWW, WAIS, other hypertext browsers, other indexes).
-
- A first pass would be to take a big archive that you're familiar with
- and that is already reasonably well indexed (say the index files from
- one of the NeXT archives, or maybe simtel20, or something like that)
- and convert the indexes into WWW format.
-
- >> With the line-mode browser, this will look fine :
- >>
- >> blah blah blah. Check out [1] for lots more information.
-
- Fixed (more or less)in the stuff that I'm going back over. I don't
- have a formatter just yet that will display things as they will show
- on-screen, & there are style and design conventions involved which I'd
- really rather steal from someone than do myself. A style guide for
- html (and a dtd, if you can manage one, so that these things can be
- munged with sgml tools) would be great to have.
-
- >> Thank you for all your suggestions. Please continue to provide
- >> feedback as you write more html. We're looking forward to read your
- >> data seamlessly and pave the way for other ftp site managers.
-
- Happy to be of help, thanks for the comments. It's a big enough job
- to try to map out what's out there on the net, I'd just as soon let
- someone else write the nice GUI so I don't have to.
-
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- Edward Vielmetti, vice president for research, MSEN Inc. emv@msen.com
- MSEN, Inc. 628 Brooks Ann Arbor MI 48103 +1 313 741 1120
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